Tuesday, October 30, 2012

More on Benghazigate



geoffff



This thing does not pass the nose test. We don't have the detail and naturally the Obama administration will do what it can to keep the lid on until after Melbourne Cup day but like a dodgy tax arrangement with too many loose ends  --- it just smells.

Did the State Department pull an operation already in play to get support to Americans under siege on American soil because the "symbol" of US special forces arriving on the scene would be out of sync with its policy of appeasement of political Islam? Or for some other political reason however they choose to explain it?

What is this to be? If indeed that did happen then even if Obama is still in the White House next year why would that not be grounds for impeachment?

The first seeds of Watergate appeared before Nixon was re elected

When a US president abandons an ambassador and staff to the enemy because to mount an effective response will jeopardise whatever his Secretary of State is cooking up -- appeasement wise -- with some faction of the enemy --  or whatever -- then he has abandoned more than the lives of a few brave Americans doing their jobs in a dangerous place. This is no ordinary mistake of judgement..

This is a grave error of policy and principle.

Ambassador Stevens and the others were attacked because they are a symbol and you can be certain this victory is being celebrated by the enemy and those who share its vile ideology way beyond just Libya and the Middle East.  The defeat will be compounded if the Benghazi outpost is closed but  in this bloody war of symbols that seems likely.

To have sent in the marines. Or the cavalry. The guys who took out two holes. Whoever.  That was the symbol that was most urgently called for in this war. Its absence is a terrible message to the enemy. It tells them they are winning.

The worst symbol of all would be an US president who abandoned these souls to their fate even if that was because those were the policy settings in place while he and the others were on the campaign. Not on the job. Is that possible?  Maybe I'm naive but that would not happen on West Wing.

This is exactly the thing that inspires the enemy. This is what they celebrate. The hated West on the recoil from this blow from jihadist Islam. The spitting contempt  for democratic process would be just the fizz in their champagne.

This is why the appeasement of hateful murderous men inspired to every fibre by a hateful murderous ideology is so very very wrong.

Here are a couple of interesting articles from

 FRONTPAGEMAG.COM


courtesy of Shirlee at friend blog Israel Thrives

This is a cut and paste from The Lethal Price of Arming Jihadists 



The decision to stand down as the Benghazi terrorist attack was underway was met with extreme opposition from the inside. The Washington Times‘s James Robbins, citing a source inside the military, reveals that General Carter Ham, commander of U.S. Africa Command, who got the same emails requesting help received by the White House, put a rapid response team together and notified the Pentagon it was ready to go. He was ordered to stay put. “His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow,” writes Robbins. “Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.”
If true, Ham has apparently decided he wants no part of the responsibility for the decision not to help those in harm’s way. He is not alone. As the Weekly Standard‘s Bill Kristol revealed late Friday, a spokesperson, “presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus,” released the following statement: ”No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate.”

Obama himself is stonewalling. During a Friday interview in Denver, the president revealed he was determined to postpone any revelation about Benghazi until after the election. “The election has nothing to do with four brave Americans getting killed and us wanting to find out exactly what happened,” said Obama in answer to questions about possible denials of aid, and whether it’s fair that Americans will have to wait until after the election to find out the results of an investigation. On Saturday, Obama upped the ante, telling ”Morning Joe” host Joe Scarborough that “if we find out there was a big breakdown and somebody didn’t do their job, they’ll be held accountable. Ultimately as Commander-in-Chief I am responsible and I don’t shy away from that responsibility.”

Well  yeah ....

Resign.

Why Our Forces Were Told to ‘Stand Down’ in Benghazi


To understand what went wrong in the Benghazi mission, it’s important to begin by looking at what was so unique about it.
When the Islamist mobs began their September 11 rampage, they found embassies with high walls, heavy security and police protection. Even in Tunis and Cairo, where the Arab Spring Islamist regimes have been accused of collaborating with their fellow Salafists, there were credible military and police forces capable of preventing the kind of full scale assault that took place in Benghazi.
...

Hat tip Shirl in Oz

Monday, October 29, 2012

tom lehrer

geoffff

Some more Tom Lehrer

on Dr Strangelove (the real one)



on the Vatican




on National Brotherhood Week





on when we all go together


Sunday, October 28, 2012

A Game Changer?

Obama : Sorry. Damn that blasted  video to hell


geoffff


I don't get it.  Could this be true?

I saw this a few days ago but it was at a place that made me think it was just campaign noise as shrill as it gets. But now I think it could be true. This is what I don't get.
How come in the world's most free, liberal and important democracy less than a fortnight before her people's most important decision this century is this story not everywhere?

This should be the biggest  Democrat presidential campaign derailment since George McGovern's running mate was caught hanging upside down in his pyjamas from a tree and baying at a herd of cows at midnight while sober just ten days out from polling day. Or something. Surely?

In fact it is worse than that.

This is the story.

On September 11 the US diplomatic mission in Benghazi is attacked and four Americans are killed including the Ambassador. The carefully planned attack lasts four hours and is monitored from Washington DC from the first shot. The premeditated attack could only be the work of the Al Qaeda network. Al Qaeda are not the only Islamist Nazi revolutionaries in the world by any means but they do have a certain style.

For these inheritors of Nazi jihad insurgency this is a war of symbols and they seem to know what works. They just murdered an US ambassador on September 11 just to show they could. The US for all its power could not stop it.. Instead this US administration sought to brush it off as  over righteous blast back from some dumb U Tube upload.

This is not our fault they said while they sat around for hours and watched their own officials butchered because they represent the US and the West and modernity and all that is hateful for these medieval revolutionaries from hell. Blame it on the video. .A terrible offence to Islam.  Blame it on anything.  Blame it on the bossa nova.  Blame it on Western values. Our fault really  for allowing the offence. We have not appeased militant and political Islam enough.

Blame it on the Coptic Christian. It does not matter. Everybody knows they will blame it on the Jews .

This Administration allowed this outrage to be mixed up with some stupid video that proved only how stupid, puerile and dangerous the extremist religion mind can get when left to fester unchallenged. We saw it in our streets and around the world and so they apologised.for the offence. Freedom of expression. Sorry guys. Arrest that man in the night. Will do better next time.

But there has been no apology for not being able to save these American officials in harm's way and now it gets worse.

This from the latest column of Melanie Philips.

... far more devastating evidence has emerged that not only did he indeed know from the start it was a premeditated attack, but that for several hours after it started the White House refused to answer desperate pleas for help by American forces trying to defend the consulate – and who died as a result.
 

Despite CIA denials, Fox News reports that that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later on the annex itself was denied by the CIA chain of command -- who also told the CIA operators twice to ‘stand down’ rather than help the ambassador’s team.
‘Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to “stand down,” according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to “stand down.” 
‘Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight. 
‘At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied... The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators. 
‘A Special Operations team, or CIF which stands for Commanders in Extremis Force, operating in Central Europe had been moved to Sigonella, Italy, but they were never told to deploy. In fact, a Pentagon official says there were never any requests to deploy assets from outside the country. A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours.’
There’s a heart-breaking interview with Ty Woods’s father here. And just look here at the crass vulgarity with which Vice-President Biden apparently addressed this bereaved father.


Read the whole piece.

Obama and Clinton could have saved these Americans but did not?

Why? Too cowardly? Their lives were expendable?
 
If they were taken alive and held as hostages they would have been more important for certain than as mere Americans in harm's way. That would have played to the electorate for sure in one way or another.   Would they have been worth a rescue mission then?

This administration  does not deserve to survive. There is no evidence they recognise the true nature of the enemy. The transition must come soon.


cross posted Israel Thrives








Who's Next?


geoffff

Time for some Tom Lehrer who is an old favourite of Che Gorilla.  He is concerned about that because he thinks it means he risks cult status. He didn't say who ran the risk.

Tom Lehrer was a mathematician who graduated with high honours from Harvard at age nineteen had a distinguished academic career did something mysterious for the National Security Agency in the mid fifties while serving in the US Army as a corporal and then became famous as a singer/song writer satirist before getting bored with it all at about the same time as the sixties counter culture got radical..


I doubt many have  heard of him now at least outside of the US. He does seem to evoke a distant age.

It would have been towards the end of his musical career when he wrote and performed this.





From his introduction Lehrer probably wrote the song in 1964 not long after the event depicted here. You can get a taste of the political climate of the time in under five minutes from just these two videos




Taste familiar?

It does if you are of a certain age.


Nuclear weapons are scary at the very best of times but they get a lot scarier when they are in a world where the chances of them being used are excellent. This should not be too difficult to understand.


The world was probably over the very worst of the nuclear war threat by 1964 but Red China was still not a nice place closer in tone to modern North Korea than modern China which is still not a very nice place but a damn sight better than it was which was still better than the Soviet Union at its worst however none of them are as bad as modern Iran. Only Nazi Germany which the Iranian regime openly admires and publicly seeks to emulate is as bad as modern Iran.  Arguably Iran is worse.


There will be a special place in  the chronicles of human evil when the horror of political Islam finally passes from the world for the way these men treat women. We are in the presence of the worst human rights outrage of our time and hardly a whisper from the left/liberal left. Nothing at all from the antizionist left. Not a single word.

Countries like Iran are at permanent war with themselves and with the outside because that is the way these men rule. Iran has not seen a day of peace since the Islamic Revolution and the Iranian people will not be allowed a day of peace until they are eventually able to free themselves from these vile men.

That is just one more reason why these these tormentors of the Iranian people must never have this weapon.


cross posted Israel Thrives







Saturday, October 27, 2012

This Blog Is Almost Famous Twice Removed

Rise of the Fifth Estate by Greg Jericho.


geoffff



The Joint is currently basking in reflected and totally unearned fame and fortune as best as it can.

Two blog pals of the Gorilla (who has corporate responsibility for inter-blog relations)  have been written up in hard copy for the ages in this recently published and generally acclaimed account of the history of Australian political bloggery (or something).

THE RISE OF THE FIFTH ESTATE: SOCIAL MEDIA AND BLOGGING IN AUSTRALIAN POLITICS
By Greg Jericho
Scribe, $29.95



Go out and buy it immediately.

Then tell me about it.

I can say that on page 51 of Grog's (who seems a nice bloke) best book ever on Australian bloggery is this jewel:

Of the eight women’s blogs that are on the right-wing side of politics, one is Miranda Devine’s on The Daily Telegraph’s website; two are focused primarily on climate change (one by Jo nova, author of The Skeptics Handbook, and the other by Queensland academic Jennifer Marohasy); one is run by Julie Novak, a research fellow with the Institute of Public Affairs; one is Drag0nista’s Blog written by Paula Matthewson, current executive officer at the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries; one is a group blog, Skepticlawyer, written by four women, including Helen Dale and Katy Barnett, who focus on legal issues. This leaves the authors of Avatar Briefs and kae’s bloodnut blog as the only two right-wing women bloggers who hold no academic or lobbyist positions.




Way to go gals!  (oops sorry)

Don't you just love labels?
"right-wing women" I mean
What else do Kae and Caz have in common?

They are both on the blogroll of Geoffff's Joint Bar and Grill and have been since day one. The Joint is the only blog to have both on the palroll. They have both visited here and I'm a regular at Avatar Briefs. (BTW only someone who does not know Caz would call her right-wing or anything else. Still ...) 

That's good enough for me. 



A hat tip to Catallaxy Files also on the blogroll where reader Steve R spotted the reference. 

Caz and Kae at Open Forum a few days ago 




  1. kae 23 Oct 12 at 4:37 pm:
    I didn’t realise that my ‘umble blog was mentioned in a book about blogs etc.
    Hi Kae, I still have the book (can return it to the library later today), so you don’t have to hunt it down. :) Here’s the reference, from page 51:
    Of the eight women’s blogs that are on the right-wing side of politics, one is Miranda Devine’s on The Daily Telegraph’s website; two are focused primarily on climate change (one by Jo nova, author of The Skeptics Handbook, and the other by Queensland academic Jennifer Marohasy); one is run by Julie Novak, a research fellow with the Institute of Public Affairs; one is Drag0nista’s Blog written by Paula Matthewson, current executive officer at the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries; one is a group blog, Skepticlawyer, written by four women, including Helen Dale and Katy Barnett, who focus on legal issues. This leaves the authors of Avatar Briefs and kae’s bloodnut blog as the only two right-wing women bloggers who hold no academic or lobbyist positions.
    So there you go. You’re in somewhat rarefied air, Kae. :)

    Steve D
    24 Oct 12 at 8:09 am
  2. Thanks, Steve D
    Avatar Briefs’ Caz is a blogfriend of mine, too.
    But surely there are others?

    kae
    24 Oct 12 at 8:44 am
  3. Steve D – how surprising, and I would never have known without you noticing, and posting here, and without Kae kindly sharing the information.
    I do wonder how narrow the author’s definition of “political” though, and ‘right wing” – independent, yes, but not partisan, or not too much, I’d like to believe. (Or maybe that’s like the ABC liking to believe they’re “balanced”?)
    Pity he didn’t get in touch with Kae or me, I’m sure we both would have had many thoughts to share about the alleged gender imbalance of politically skewed blogs, and unaffiliated little blogs, like ours.
    Ah well. Almost famous, but not quite.
    Still, thanks for sharing.

    24 Oct 12 at 2:47 pm

Friday, October 19, 2012

A Classic Case of Christian Antisemitism

geoffff

Have a look at this post from Father Roy at Jew Hate "Only Antizionists Here"  Central .

Striving for war and genocide in the Holy Land in the name of the Church of England.



"Here’s an interesting offering from American cartoonist, Nina Paley.
"I'm not sure what the author’s intentions were in putting this 3-minute musical/cartoon/video together but it is certainly helpful in terms of the big picture – in terms of giving us an historical perspective as to who owns the land of Israel/Palestine.
"It is curious, I think, that most Jews who claim ownership of the land do so on religious grounds (‘God gave us this land’, etc.) whereas the Torah itself makes clear that no one but God Himself owns it.
"‘The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants.” (Leviticus 25:23)


"Be Sociable, Share!"

...


 Sure thing Roy. Like herpes.

This is a case of Christian antisemitism pretty much as clear as it gets in public. It is chilling that it is so loose and casual. You can be certain it gets worse when they think no one is listening.  . 

The Anglican Church would likely own more property world wide than the State of Israel several times over. Father Roy's theological reach would impress  if he applied his idea of God given property law to Church land so as to divest the Church of lawful occupancy in the eyes of man.. 

Or anyone else. Any other state, country, company, organisation, religion, people or person.  

He can not of course. He has been careful about this. This is a theology that applies only to the Jews. "Most of them" because this is what the Jews believe themselves in what  is their only claim to the land. Their own religious texts and traditions.

As if legal ownership means nothing. As if the State of Israel means nothing.  As if the law means nothing at all. 

As if even the existence of Jewish texts from and about the land a thousand years and more before there was Christianity and another thousand years before Islam  some how in some mystical religious way dissolve  the legal rights of modern Jews and the very legitimacy of the modern Jewish state like salt in water.

Only the Jews. No other people. Especially not Muslims.  Only the State of Israel. No other country.  Especially not "Palestine".

Father Roy will swear on his bible that he is not an antisemite. Perhaps that's the problem.

The video is pretty cool however.

 Poignant in an angel of death sort of way. Owes a fair bit to South Park I think.

 Mike noted it at Israel Thrives a week before Father Roy.





Hate to quibble with a cartoon especially one that has done so much work on getting its history right ( the guy with the hammer is right on the nail) but ...

...the British showing up in tanks and guns and blasting the     out of Arabs carrying swords is by any stretch not really a fair artistic portrayal of the First World War, and the capture of the region by the British and allies including the Jewish Legion from Turkish and German forces, in a war that Arabs were noteworthy mainly for their neutrality. To put it charitably. 

The usual dose of moral equivalence of course. It is so standard a part of the landscape whatever the medium that you hardly notice it. It would be striking without it. 

Perhaps Chomsky is the angel of death. I thought I noticed a resemblance.




My comment  on this antsemitc site
...


It really is a serious misstatement of truth that "most Jews who claim ownership of the land do so on religious grounds".

Ignorance this profound has no excuse. Some one can not possibly make this claim in good faith in 2012. It is a symptom of moral ambivalence about even the most basic of human rights.

Only a bigot of the worst kind would seek to deny Israel's legitimacy on any grounds but especially on religious grounds. It seems to me that is exactly what you do. It is quite sinister.

Your religious beliefs have crossed a barrier of  ordinary  decency.   You need to look into your soul.

Geoffff's Joint Bar and Grill




Father Roy and the other guardians of Christian moral standard at Palestine and Israel  (with the merged flag logo)  declined to publish the comment.

What a surprise.

It's probably the rudest thing that's ever been said to them.

These guys are in mind lock down. They just don't get it. They are in an unfortunate pocket of the extremist religious mind that allows them to see the world as if they are wandering a carnival maze full of trick mirrors where "Palestine" looms huge, Syria hardly at all and the humans rights of women and minorities in Muslim lands including even Christians are all fat and skinny and distorted. Comical and grotesque. Look away. Quick.

Stalin famously had his "useful idiots" as he cheerfully called them after an audience while drinking with his henchmen vassals later. One of these has already popped up here. The Red Dean of Canterbury. .  You can see Stalin half full of vodka roaring with laughter now.

There is no excuse for the Red Dean but at least he could pass for English eccentricity. Orwell had cruelly referred to the Church of England as the Tory Party at prayer. One idiot it could spare.

 How many idiots are there now?

It really is the most extraordinary thing. Christians clerics as far away as Sydney who have committed themselves to an impossible and monstrous struggle against the Jews of the Middle East and  against all Jews   that can only lead to violence and never-ending war .



This struggle they support and pray for demands the unthinkable. It means surrendering everything. It will be fought by every sacrifice as every free man and woman would. You would have to be an antisemite not to see that in an instant.

They demand dhimmitude or death on religious grounds and they have the support of these Christian clerics on religious grounds.There is something in their religious minds that allows them to set aside the earthly secular human rights bestowed by man made law on Jews and Israel as if they never existed. Them and them alone.

It then demands the assimilation of a political culture that refuses assimilation by its very nature. A political culture that  is fresh from the Dark Ages in its hateful oppressive misogyny, superstition, intolerance, cruel ignorance, permanent violence, war and  barbarism. . Look at it.

You  first.

Cross posted  Israel Thives

Wednesday, October 17, 2012

What an Antisemite Jew Sounds Like*

geoffff

They just can't help themselves.

What an evil little outburst. You have to be a Jew to imagine you have a licence for racism so vile.

Raised in the Church of England. What a surprise.




* You already knew what he looks like.

hat tip Daphne Anson
and     BBC Watch





Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Father Dave Watch -- October




Jewish Settlers Say Video Catches Palestinians Destroying their Own Olive Trees
Moral Distinctions 101 First Semester
These are trees that have been hacked around outside Jerusalem 

geoffff


Father Dave friend Father Roy

Father Roy writes:   Palestinian farmers have every reason to be angry.  And they express themselves as best they can.  The highlights in the article pasted below are mine.  Please read this article, too:  A malignancy called Jewish settlers.   Peace, Roy

Peace on you as well, Roy.

Attacks on trees by piss weak cowards in the night is as gutless and girly as a stuffed pink mammoth.

Tree Hacker Prize  2012
Whoever they are.

But these are trees.

What is it about Christians and olive trees?

We will come back to the trees  but first a little perspective.

In the same period as the olive harvest hundreds of Syrians including many women and children and other innocents have been butchered in a cruel war that for some reason is morally problematic for these earnest Christian clerics to even mention. They are mute.

Their fixation is on the trees outside Jerusalem.

How far is it from Jerusalem to Damascus?

Any Christian cleric should be able to tell you that.


Approximate distance as the crow flies in miles from Jerusalem Israel to Damascus Syria is 134 miles or 215.61 Kilometers


Which that site obligingly informs us will take 2.2 hours by car. A long walk for sure especially at the wrong time of year.

In truth it is 99 light years. Einstein proved that even before he got a job in the Swiss patents office.

The distance between barbarism and civilisation.

We know what is going on in Damascus right now. We know what is going on in Syria.

Artillery, tank and war plane attacks on civilians. Massacres. .Executions. Torture.  Unspeakable atrocities committed on women and children in detention.   Tens of thousands dead and injured and 100 000's forced from their homes.

How much of the cruel carnage can be seen from where once ran the ancient road from Jerusalem about 150 miles long? Especially the last fifty miles to Damascus from Quneitra then as now beyond the will and writ of Jerusalem.

We can not ignore the appalling moral spikes of these horrors from the Bronze Age and before, since before there was civilisation, since when barbarism ruled unchallenged by any light of man or God.

How can we and still call ourselves men and women?
Only Christian clerics it seems have that privilege.

Which brings us back to the trees.

Attacked once again at harvest time so mysteriously when all the pickers are in the groves by day and all the families around by night doing whatever people do with freshly harvested olives for two thousand years and more.

Somehow the Jews get around it all in the night and get at the trees unseen. Even on  Shabbat.  Even the Orthodox. .

A malignancy will do that.

It's all a crock of course as the malignancy has filmed. .

It's the same pile of horse shit every year. If you buy it you may as well line up for a splinter from the one true cross. Just like the Red Cross ambulance with a missile through the cross incident, the Netzarim Junction blood libel, ,  the Jenin massacre ,

It seems it is not only olives that are being harvested around Jerusalem right now. Right around pruning time.

They pick olives and harvest prunes into the bargain. Good business if you can get it.

This is another UN retailed slur pumped out by the PLO propaganda ministry for killer affairs and earnestly sucked up by the dumb, gullible and hateful everywhere.

It works so well with a certain kind of Christian who just want to believe this vile lying ranting rank antisemitism so much it hurts. You can see it their faces. They saw an open door and they kicked it off the hinges in the rush.

Antizionism is not antisemitism. Everyone knows that. What a relief and how exquisitely easy. It's all just  a matter of words.

Read  this filthy vile racist hatred written only for the purpose of incitement to war.  . Brought to you by Father Roy and the Church of England.



By Khalid Amayreh
They murder in cold blood, steal in broad daylight and lie as often as they breathe the oxygen of life, all in the name of the Lord.
They descend on poor and helpless Palestinian olive harvesters in the vicinity of their colonies, beating the farmers, stealing their crops and destroying their orchards. And when the poor Palestinians try to put up a resistance, the heavily-armed thugs train their guns at them.
This is not the American Wild West. Welcome to the West Bank, where marauding Jewish settlers, who claim to be acting on instructions from God and that they are a light upon the rest of humanity, are tormenting Palestinian farmers day and night, seven days a week.
Even on Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath or day of rest, the ostensibly religious but manifestly immoral settlers waste no time allowing the Palestinians a moment of respite.

...




That's the end of it for one month you would hope. Not a bit of it. There is also this:

Russell Tribunal on Palestine encounters media blackout



Father Roy writes:The mainstream media simply refused to cover the Russell Tribunal on Palestine One is tempted to ask who owns the (deleted) mainstream media.  Not to worry, Peers.  Let’s thank God for the Internet.  On the Internet there’s information at our fingertips.  We network and exchange what we know.  Attitudes influenced in Cyberspace create facts on the ground.  The days of “Ignorance is Bliss” are over.  “Let not your hearts be troubled, Peers.”  We’ll figure out ways to right some wrongs.  Cooperative efforts will be required, of course.  But when we really and truly think about it, all we need to do … one individual at a time … is focus collectively and simultaneously on the issues that matter most to us and reach consensus.  That’s all we need to do.   Peace, Roy 

I have to say it Roy. People like you make a bad situation worse. I wish you would just peace off. It would be better for everyone.
It is deplorable that you are tolerated. One is tempted to ask who owns the Church of England.
...

Had enough? Not a bit of it.
Then there is this ...

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Father Roy writes:   The letter that Christian Leaders wrote to Congress recently (see below) is being ”criticized” by Jewish Groups.  This is a serious matter.  Spread the word.  Christians need to be alerted.  The Jewish Council for Public Affairs “rejected” what the Christian Leaders called for in the letter.  The American Jewish Committee was OUTRAGED.  But that’s not the worst of it.  The Rabbinical Assembly called for a “re-evaluation” of the interfaith partnerships, between the assembly and the denominations represented in the letter.  Is that a threat?  Or a promise?  Whichever, this incident needs publicity.  We cannot let it fester.  The highlights in JTA’s report are mine  Peace, Roy 

...

Peace on you too Roy, again. 

The highlights in his gleeful account of the destruction of relations at all levels between his brand of Christians, and Jews and Jewry, are mine.
The feeling is exceedingly  mutual at least in my case.. I know a creep and bigot I would rather not be in the same room with when I see one.
Most people have stopped buying the lie this is about the "Palestinians" at all..   All honest people who have bothered to inform themselves have.

These Christian clerics are preaching war propaganda for all the world to hear. They are preaching the oldest hatred from the pulpit again and for all the old reasons.  It is shameful. They need to look into their souls. So does that the Church that supports them.



Moral Distinctions 101  Second Semester
These are children who have been hacked around outside Damascus

cross posted  Israel Thrives